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-==== Optical Layout ==== +====== Acq System ======
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-  * [[/file/detail/acquisition.pdf|Details]] +==== Optical Layout ==== 
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 ==== Coma on the Fold Mirror ==== ==== Coma on the Fold Mirror ====
 \\  Assuming perfect optics, images at the fold mirror have coma 2 arcmin from on-axis (2.3mm from the center) that amounts to a 90% encircled energy radius of 14 microns, or 0.72 arcsec. This coma is linearly proportional to distance off-axis.\\ \\  \\  Assuming perfect optics, images at the fold mirror have coma 2 arcmin from on-axis (2.3mm from the center) that amounts to a 90% encircled energy radius of 14 microns, or 0.72 arcsec. This coma is linearly proportional to distance off-axis.\\ \\ 
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 ==== Camera Selection ==== ==== Camera Selection ====
-\\  An ideal acquisition camera should enable both fast and slow readout, with dark current lower than typical sky noise. The current acquisition camera is a camera with a BNC connector made by Watec (the 120N?). The short axis of the field of view is 5.7mm (? to confirm). An alternative camera is the (uncooled) [[http://www.astronomycameras.com/products/usb/dmk41au02as/|DMK.AU02]]CCD camera from Imaging Source. This has a short axis of 4.76mm, and a diagonal of 7.96mm. The CCD datasheet for this larger format sensor is [[/here|here]], and the more sensitive and smaller version MJI is familiar with is [[/here|here]]. This smaller version has definitely been seen to be sky noise limited (i.e. not dark or readout noise) for ~1 sec exposures. Gig-E versions are available.\\ \\ //Laszlo:// Currently we use Astrovid Stellacam II video cameras for both imege acquisition and for the finder. This camera looks very much like a Watec camera only a bit larger. I suspect it is made by Watec. The Astrovid uses Sony ICX418AL CCD while the DMK camera uses Sony ICX205AL CCD. Both CCDs are Type 1/2, that is 8 mm diagonally. According to the datasheets the sensitivity of the ICX418AL and ICX205AL are 1100 mV and 450 mV, respectively. The Astrovid dark signal is 1 mV while the DMK dark signal is 16 mV. Thus the Astrovid is more sensitive than the DMK. The Astrovid has an analog output and needs a frame grabber. This is not ideal. It would be nice to have digital output. The USB output of the DMK is not ideal either because we either use the WFS computer to handle the acquisition finder cameras or we need a bunch of repeaters because USB 2 is limited to 5 m cable length and the bunkers are rather 30 m away.\\  Ideally, I'd use a camera like the Astrovid with network interface if such thing existed.\\ \\ //Mike:// The real issue is exposure time. The sensitive Watecs used at SUSI and for AAT guiding only work at 30 Hz, so are readout noise limited. A CCD packaged so that it is forced to have a 30 Hz readout has a factor of ~5.5 higher readout noise after averaging those frames than something that enables 1Hz readout.\\ \\ //Laszlo:// You have a point there...but the situation is not as bad because the ICX418 has 2x the pixel size and four times the signal per pixel readout than the ICX205. So in this respect the SNR(DMK)/SNR(ASTROVID)=1.45 at 1 sec integration. I think the best would be to compare them on the telescope.\\ \\ +\\   
 +An ideal acquisition camera should enable both fast and slow readout, with dark current lower than typical sky noise. The current acquisition camera is a camera with a BNC connector made by Watec (the 120N?). The short axis of the field of view is 5.7mm (? to confirm). An alternative camera is the (uncooled) [[http://www.astronomycameras.com/products/usb/dmk41au02as/|DMK.AU02]]CCD camera from Imaging Source. This has a short axis of 4.76mm, and a diagonal of 7.96mm. The CCD datasheet for this larger format sensor is [[ao:here|here]], and the more sensitive and smaller version MJI is familiar with is [[ao:here|here]]. This smaller version has definitely been seen to be sky noise limited (i.e. not dark or readout noise) for ~1 sec exposures. Gig-E versions are available.\\  
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 +//Laszlo:// Currently we use Astrovid Stellacam II video cameras for both imege acquisition and for the finder. This camera looks very much like a Watec camera only a bit larger. I suspect it is made by Watec. The Astrovid uses Sony ICX418AL CCD while the DMK camera uses Sony ICX205AL CCD. Both CCDs are Type 1/2, that is 8 mm diagonally. According to the datasheets the sensitivity of the ICX418AL and ICX205AL are 1100 mV and 450 mV, respectively. The Astrovid dark signal is 1 mV while the DMK dark signal is 16 mV. Thus the Astrovid is more sensitive than the DMK. The Astrovid has an analog output and needs a frame grabber. This is not ideal. It would be nice to have digital output. The USB output of the DMK is not ideal either because we either use the WFS computer to handle the acquisition finder cameras or we need a bunch of repeaters because USB 2 is limited to 5 m cable length and the bunkers are rather 30 m away.\\   
 +Ideally, I'd use a camera like the Astrovid with network interface if such thing existed.\\  
 +\\  
 +//Mike:// The real issue is exposure time. The sensitive Watecs used at SUSI and for AAT guiding only work at 30 Hz, so are readout noise limited. A CCD packaged so that it is forced to have a 30 Hz readout has a factor of ~5.5 higher readout noise after averaging those frames than something that enables 1Hz readout.\\  
 +\\  
 +//Laszlo:// You have a point there...but the situation is not as bad because the ICX418 has 2x the pixel size and four times the signal per pixel readout than the ICX205. So in this respect the SNR(DMK)/SNR(ASTROVID)=1.45 at 1 sec integration. I think the best would be to compare them on the telescope.\\  
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 ==== C-mount Lens Option ==== ==== C-mount Lens Option ====
  There are commercial C-mount macro lenses, e.g. the Computar MLM3X-MP lens from e.g. [[http://www.rmassa.com/manu/computar.htm|RMA]]. This would have the following properties:\\   There are commercial C-mount macro lenses, e.g. the Computar MLM3X-MP lens from e.g. [[http://www.rmassa.com/manu/computar.htm|RMA]]. This would have the following properties:\\ 
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